A question about Nietzsche and his argument

A question about Nietzsche and his argument


Greg from Poeticalcynic asked this question, here is my take on it Greg.

from wikipedia

Friedrich Nietzsche said:

“A god who is all-knowing and all-powerful and who does not even make sure his creatures understand his intention—could that be a god of goodness? Who allows countless doubts and dubieties to persist, for thousands of years, as though the salvation of mankind were unaffected by them, and who on the other hand holds out the prospect of frightful consequences if any mistake is made as to the nature of truth? . . . Did he perhaps lack intelligence to do so? Or the eloquence? Must he not then . . . be able to help and counsel [his creatures], except in the manner of a deaf man making all kinds of ambiguous signs when the most fearful danger is about to befall on his child or dog?”

Plenty of problems there:

1. “A god …who does not even make sure his creatures understand his intention”

I would question the validity of this statement, I would ask how is this alone tested and proved, Empiricism? That carries its own problems. What about his creatures who do understand?

2. “Could be a God of goodness”

That is a platonic view of God, God is not made up of goodness or badness. A more Thomistic approach would seriously challenge this notion. Anyway, its also wrong because it assumes God is good according to what we feel good. Can we not be wrong? How do we decide what is good? by vote?

What about people who do not have this complain against God? God doesn’t have goodness in him, he is goodness. Just like he doesn’t have lovely feelings for us, he is Love.

3. “Who allows countless doubts and dubieties to persist, for thousands of years, as though the salvation of mankind were unaffected by them, and who on the other hand holds out the prospect of frightful consequences if any mistake is made as to the nature of truth?”

Doubt is our problem, not God’s. Also doubt is the price of a free humanity. It breaks the view that God is a dictator. Your choice is left to you. Consider if he really shows that he exists, wouldn’t a lot of people be just filled with disgust that they now HAVE TO praise, obey and follow God. Now that is truly frightful for some, isn’t it?

God loves us and therefore he would not force himself on us.

4. Did he perhaps lack intelligence to do so?

This is again a platonic view. I am not surprised though, many Christians also break up God into parts and then reassemble him to fit what they seem God is made up of, light, happiness, joy, faith, love.

Intelligence is left to be defined as pretty vague here. Its absurd, it assumes on one hand that God is intelligent to have made the universe and on the other that he is not intelligent enough to communicate?

Can God make a square circle? sure but then that circle won’t remain a circle, right? God doesn’t do absurdities. I think God communicates to man but God’s intelligence is not in question here, man’s is.

Must he not then . . . be able to help and counsel [his creatures], except in the manner of a deaf man making all kinds of ambiguous signs when the most fearful danger is about to befall on his child or dog?”

Now I would ask, what do you mean by ambiguous? I am guessing he is referring to the Bible and its various interpretations but what he does not realize that it is not the Bible but Christ whom God chose to be with us and follow. Scriptures point to Christ. Sad thing is most Christians do not even realize this and therefore when atheists see those Christians they take their stance as something offical. Same is with church. The church could be wrong about things. It has been in the past as well.

In the end, God and empiricism do not go hand in hand. If an atheist does see a big man on a big throne, on clouds with the sun shining behind him, what does that prove anyway? That he saw God> no. How can it be certainly proved that he wasn’t having a delusion? God is not something which can be tested in a lab. Either he finds you or you find him. Its a matter of rational faith, not blind faith.

There are plenty of logical and rational reasons for the existence of a God, some people just do not realize it, some do not want to, others do.

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4 thoughts on “A question about Nietzsche and his argument

  1. “Consider if he really shows that he exists, wouldn’t a lot of people be just filled with disgust that they now HAVE TO praise, obey and follow God. Now that is truly frightful for some, isn’t it?”

    I so like this.. .AMEN to that!
    More Grace to You John…

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